His first step is to obtain a crimson lightsaber, the signature weapon of the Sith. Anakin High Ends all beat out Vaders high ends by miles when Anakin taps his potential. All out: Vader for the majority, though every fight will be properly challenging. So how could losing a limb affect Force ability, then? Someone requested that I do a comparison between Anakin and Vader in Star Wars Battlefront II to see if there are any similarities in their move sets. Anakin also beats Vader in sabers, that much is true. Wiz: Getting a red Lightsaber for being evil, Vader was a very powerful Sith lord and had killed Luke's mentor Ben Kenobi during the fourth movie. @wollfmyth209: Isn't there a set amount of midi-chlorians per cell? Not sure what the point here is. Debunk. Plus Anakin is Vader, so Vader literally knows everything about him, the only thing Anakin has more than Vader is agility. @wollfmyth209: How do you define "Force reserves" then? In the end there is no showing of a force barrier, and not a TK feat. However, the numerous tragedies he suffered during his service to the Jedi Order in the Clone Wars took their toll on Skywalker, making the young knight desperate to find a way to protect his lover Padme Amidala. He only beat it by cutting the feet off with a Saber. His wisdom, experience and knowledge certainly grew, but he's logically the inferior Force user[in terms of sheer magnitude], duelist and overall fighter. Rules. Easy 200+ tons feat considering the weight of marble or granite statues. Drags Jedi temples librarian, ready to fight, into his Saber. @wollfmyth209: That is when Vader turns back to th Light and became Anakin again... @sirfizzwhizz: I'd say Vader's feats are typically better except in the rare times Anakin achieves oneness. After the events of Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith, Darth Vader is thrust into his Sith training. Yes. Retellings and media that does not further Anakin's story will not be counted. In Legends it was pretty obvious that he didn't like his new suit and anything that came with it so he would logically look at his former self as being "better". Someone requested that I do a comparison between Anakin and Vader in Star Wars Battlefront II to see if there are any similarities in their move sets. Definitely Anakin. Obviously this didn't actually happen. Anakin was always the superior being. And my point isn't Anakin's potential being greater in the slightest. So that been debunk. I can show plenty of feats of TK on Vaders level. Once, as a Jedi, he had meditated to find peace. Kang and Darth Vader both wield incredible power, though only one could win their fight. However, in canon, it looks like it's shaping up to have Vader superior to Anakin in a clear cut fashion. @shootingnova: Nope. 2 Can't Beat: Darth Nihilus. @geistalt: Talent? Legends has Anakin being the stronger of the two, whilst in Canon, Vader's unquestionably written to be Anakin's superior. Beats Vader by miles! Pulls down a large Temple Statue, catching a heavy chunk of it to throw at a nearby door. 0. @wollfmyth209: Seems logical. The fact that it took Vader over 19 years to no longer be a "shadow of his former self", would suggest that he wouldn't have grown exponentionally enough in four years to suddenly go from being significantly inferior, to significantly superior. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Anakin was problably going to edge Vader out in a direct duel in the Legends continuity while in Canon Vader seems the overal better fighter. So Canon source > out dated legends source. Actually even in Legends( GL canon), Vader is said to be more powerful than he ever was, in the ROTJ novel. Greater force potential led to greater skill and learning. Darth Vader's life support system was disabled by Cylo IV and all of this happened inside his head. If there was no knowledge beforehand, Anakin would win. @darthduelist9: Well it's rather simple: Vader didn't just lose his potential, he lost a good chunk(over half) of his midi-chlorians. In-canon, Vader reflects on himself being superior in comparison to Anakin, and seems to be written that way, but it's not yet a set-in-stone fact. Vader also by feats never fought the quality opponents his younger Anakin self has. Vader has fought and won more lightsaber battles, has more often and consistently exhibited superior Force feats and was an all-around better fighter than Anakin was. (41BBY - 4ABY) (45 Years Old) This page is a chronological list of all his confirmed kills in Canon in all forms of official media. Yeah, none of this even remotely begins to counter what I'm saying. In Canon, it's stated Anakin had actually become more powerful after becoming Darth Vader (I suppose this is because the lost potential thing is no longer canon, as it was GL's statement/understanding, and not actually established in the films). Darth Vader is easily the most iconic Star Wars villain of all time - but just how powerful is the Dark Lord of the Sith? Anakin wins the dueling round, though far from easily. Skill? Either way, Maul vs Yoda or Mace will end faster than KFV vs … Said raw power is always there, it just takes time, practice and experience to tap into it. You can't possibly expect me to agree on your or any other debater's opinions every single time, that is just ludicrous. Here many said Vader used TK to shield from the blast and collapse. Palpatine also seemed to believe Vader's loss of potential was psychological and not physical. Except unlike Luke, Anakin had far greater knowledge and experience as well TK feats. Anakin did so twice. 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